@CBRetriever Apparently, if I don't know the answers to my questions, you don't intend me to find out. But I will persevere. A few of my questions right now:
Where are we supposed to be going, why are we going there, and what is it supposed to look like when we get there? Presumably, we're going where you said to change the Downloaded tab to the relevant part of this: All (highlighted) | Downloaded ___ Collections ___ Title.
I've gotten the Downloaded tab selected. Been there a multitude of times. Very familiar territory. Now that I'm there, what do I do? I've looked all over the user interface. Nothing that I can see gives me the ability to alter the tab. I've right-clicked on the tab, right-clicked on a blank area of the tab's display pane. And on and on. The only thing that I can find that even remotely looks like it's related is that when right-clicking blank area of the display pane, there is an item for Add/Remove from Collections. When I select this entry, I am presented a very small apparently random selection of the over 400 categories in this system, which certainly does not include the more populated items in the cloud collections. There are no instructions explaining what any of these are. Going with my blind hunches:
How do I get it to download all of my collections? All of them? All of the collections that contain books (not nearly all of those are displayed in this supposedly downloaded list)? All of them that don't contain books at this point but will surely very quickly? This is already a stupidly manual process. I don't expect to have to revisit it ever again once I get it setup. (I'll be happy to give Amazon a listing of websites that I've designed and a description of my design process. Nothing novel here, but I would never ever make a stupid mistake like designing a system without the ability for users to, permanently set the sort order (alpha by title for collections and alpha by author for books) until the user wants something different. Having to take the time to change a sort order that is totally irrelevant to me and to have to remember to do so every single time the page refreshes is a totally stupid manual process. Not having hierarchical (nested) collections is something that I would never do. And yes, you can use nested collections as folders, just as the system is now doing. Well that's a tiny fraction of the things I would never do. Don't get me started on the things that should be done.)
About half of the entries have a checkmark next to them and about half don't. It appears that, if I click one of the uncheckmarked items, it acquires a checkmark and the item, populated with all the books that it contains, appears in the left pane for Collections. Am I going to have to go here, one-by-one for each of the collections — all over 400 of them — to get all of them on my Kindle for the PB? How totally primitive! Now, were did you say the builtin macro facility in this system? Its on some of the most primitive systems I've encountered, but then, of course, this system is truly reminiscent of systems from the 1980s.
only works on Kindles. It does not work on Kindle for PC. As a matter of fact, Kindle for PC does not support Cloud Collections (the ones you see on your account) and neither does the Cloud Reader or any Kindle/Fire prior to 2012. Those all have (except for the Cloud Reader) device based Collections and those do not, and never have, synced with Cloud Collections.
and yes, the free Kindle for PC app is primitive. If you want the bells and whistles you need to buy a kindle or a Fire and even those two types do not handle Cloud Collections the same. It's much better than it used to be and even better than the Cloud Reader, but it will never (in my opinion) be as functional as actual Kindles
check marks = downloaded
no check marks = link to the book on the account
You can go to your Your Content and Devices page and send 200 books at a time to Kindle for PC.
and you really need to be addressing your concerns and displeasure with this free reading app to Amazon not to this forum set up for customers to help other customers that no one from Amazn's management, technical, development or Customer Service teams reads. You can email them at email@example.com - I don't think we can help you any more
Thanks for the info, folks. Glad I'm not the only one that is confused and super frustrated. The PC apps just stinks.
For YEARS I've been trying to get stupid Cloud Collections to show up on my PC. I use Kindle a LOT for technical reference material for my job and I have to say, Amazon... come on. This is a major limitation. It is 101 stuff. Open Source the code, or invite us to the repo, and tell us the API calls the devices are using. This isn't brain science or rocket surgery here. Very painful for those of us that use your stuff professionally. The PC app is SOOOOO bad. Even better, move to a dev toolset that is cross platform like your competitors. Please. I'm begging you.
Honestly, I was inches from moving to another device vs. the new Oasis just because of this single issue.
❓❓❓ Something I have never tried, can you hook the Kindle device (say Oasis 10) to your PC and sync from the PC app that way? That way the device could cloud sync and you could periodically sync the device to the PC to get the collections.
It's just flat out that the collections on Kindle for PC (and, I think, Kindle for Mac) are NOT cloud collections and won't sync with anything.
Kindle for PC had collections long before any other device did. Even when the early kindles had collections, they were not cloud collections. The first Fire didn't have collections at all and the Cloud variation came about when they did support collections.
There is an advantage of non-cloud collections -- it's more independent of Amazon. I use it as my "master" with the cloud (being shared with and Android tablet, a kindle and 2 fires with a new fire due next week) needing to match it. By working with the two types of collections, I can be more accurate and be sure I have everybody tagged and reported accurately to my spreadsheet (that also has a list of collections and counts).
For me, it works. I admit it's a pain but since Kindle for PC and Kindle for Mac are the ugly step-sisters of Amazon, there's not much you're going to get them to do after all this time!
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